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Date of Birth is 28 Sep, Please correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.249.106 (talk) 02:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on the use of "charismatic" in the lead

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Should the descriptor "charismatic" be used in the first lead paragraph, and if so, where? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging editors in the discussion above: @Fowler&fowler, Asilvering, Czar, and Grayfell:.

Survey

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  • As long as appropriate detail is added to the body, Option 2 per my comments above; otherwise option 4. I feel that there is enough sourcing (see above section) to justify its inclusion in the lead per WP:LEAD and WP:BALASP, but I do not think the first sentence (per MOS:FIRST) is the appropriate place, and that placing a descriptor like "charisma" next to the information about ideologies and "electrifying" a movement helps the flow of the prose. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4 until this is explained in the body with context, then likely option 2 or 3, depending on that context. The raw number of sources isn't the problem here, the lack of context is the problem. Grayfell (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4 per Grayfell and what I said above. Until the article can contextualize why it matters to epithetically call him charismatic, then it has no business being in the lede. The lede should summarize the article and the article should make it clear what instrumental role charisma played in his life. czar 21:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4 Definitely not in wiki-voice. If a large number of reliable sources note his charisma, then it could be mentioned in the body of the article as long as it's attributed. Some1 (talk) 04:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 2 per AirshipJungleman29. I should add that I am the editor who has written the lead. It is based on the best available scholarly sources. I will now be bowing out of this discussion, eventually returning, perhaps, to write the article when traffic has moved away.Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 1 This option was a long standing version and it clearly made more sense since it correctly summarized this person. CharlesWain (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4. An article's lead should be a summary of its body. And even if the body did describe Singh's personal charisma, it's not the kind of epithet that belongs in the lead IMO. ― novov (t c) 07:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4, per Grayfell. While we're here, I don't think the rest of the first sentence is appropriate either. It should be something like "was an Indian anti-colonial revolutionary who became a folk hero after he was executed for the murder of two British policemen" - ie, it should clearly state what he is most notable for, without getting into too much specific detail. There's the rest of the lead, and the rest of the article, for that. -- asilvering (talk) 15:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4: per Grayfall and asilvering. Also strongly agree with asilvering's suggestion for the first sentence. TryKid[dubiousdiscuss] 03:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 4 — And I agree with asilvering's opinion on the first sentence. It needs to be cut down to a general descriptor of Bhagat Singh's notability. Yue🌙 01:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option 1 It characterizes him better than all other options available. Note that the incident for which he is known for was a mistaken murder, not any revolutionary activity. Orientls (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  • The current lead paragraph says "...the charismatic Singh[8] electrified a growing..." This is an improvement over mentioning this in the very first sentence, but only draws more attention to the term "electrified" which has some of the same issues as "charismatic". "Electrified" is nice and succinct, but it's also pretty ambiguous, which was also a big part of my original issue with 'charismatic'. I think this and other problems would be much easier to address if the lead were a proper summary of the body of the article. Grayfell (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We can also cite dozens of sources saying that JFK Jr. was charismatic ("Charisma" is a word so frequently associated with John F. Kennedy that it actually began to grate on his successor[1]) but it doesn't mean it's noteworthy enough to emphasize without sufficient context in the article on why it matters. And I certainly wouldn't stick it in the lede of that article with a bunch of citations as if that bypasses the need to give it context in the article first. czar 22:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...the Indian National Congress's nonviolent but eventually successful campaign for India's independence.[9]

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India's struggle for independence was a multi-faceted one and thus there were many more factors, including a factor of mutual understanding, that prompted to a 'successful' freedom. Only this concept and statement of 'the Indian National Congress's nonviolent but eventually successful campaign for India's independence' is over-simplification and unlooked-for. 2409:4060:2E12:7CEB:0:0:7548:5914 (talk) 09:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bhagat Singh born

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Bhagat Singh Wikipedia 27 September 1907 But authentic 28 September 1907 please check and correct detail add 2409:40C1:203C:D2D2:7B5A:CB8:F907:EFEE (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 28th is not supported by the reliable sources such as Britannica or the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Celebrating Bhagat Singh's birthday on the 28th is a largely post-Google phenomenon, becoming popular after Google's founding on 27 September 1998 and the Indian press's diminished coverage of Singh on that day. See Talk:Bhagat_Singh/Archive_3#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_27_September_2023 Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2024

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2405:201:6011:E103:9162:720F:8097:DCF3 (talk) 07:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bhagat Singh date of birth is written wrong , his birth date is 28th September not 27th.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 10:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]